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	<title>Comments on: New Poll: Haruhi vs. Haruhi Pt 2! Battle of the Loli Haruhis!</title>
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		<title>By: Chi</title>
		<link>http://www.basugasubakuhatsu.com/blog/2006/06/30/new-anime-poll-haruhi-vs-haruhi-pt-2-battle-of-the-loli-haruhis/#comment-47125</link>
		<dc:creator>Chi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fujioka, any day. Because Fujioka has other personality too. =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fujioka, any day. Because Fujioka has other personality too. =D</p>
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		<title>By: Ggultra2764</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ggultra2764</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*points at loli-Fujioka.*

She has more of a loli and cuteness factor to her than Suzumiya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*points at loli-Fujioka.*</p>
<p>She has more of a loli and cuteness factor to her than Suzumiya.</p>
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		<title>By: panzerfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>panzerfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Kyon should seriously spill out his woes to Fujioka since his concerns over the Diet's fiscal issues, postal reforms, social safety net and finances are not that far off the radar from Fujioka as Suzumiya Haruhi terrorizes the Ouran club with acts of god...)

Suzumiya and Fujioka are so different that even as loli I have a hard time with this. Both of them are not about invoking pity but they resort to very different means to get to where they are.  In some sense Suzumiya is Fujioka's antithesis (but that's the high-school era Haruhis)

Suzumiya's narriative paints out a picture of herself very clearly with her loli days and the piece invokes thought whereas Fujioka stands out less since Suzumiya and the number crunch is rather unique.  Suzumiya fails to make peace with the nature of things and sets forth to change everything later on while Fujioka accepts the surrounding but not herself. 

I can't decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Kyon should seriously spill out his woes to Fujioka since his concerns over the Diet&#8217;s fiscal issues, postal reforms, social safety net and finances are not that far off the radar from Fujioka as Suzumiya Haruhi terrorizes the Ouran club with acts of god&#8230;)</p>
<p>Suzumiya and Fujioka are so different that even as loli I have a hard time with this. Both of them are not about invoking pity but they resort to very different means to get to where they are.  In some sense Suzumiya is Fujioka&#8217;s antithesis (but that&#8217;s the high-school era Haruhis)</p>
<p>Suzumiya&#8217;s narriative paints out a picture of herself very clearly with her loli days and the piece invokes thought whereas Fujioka stands out less since Suzumiya and the number crunch is rather unique.  Suzumiya fails to make peace with the nature of things and sets forth to change everything later on while Fujioka accepts the surrounding but not herself. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t decide.</p>
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		<title>By: extraclassiclite</title>
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		<dc:creator>extraclassiclite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I honestly think that flashback-Suzumiya fails for cute points. At that point she's not doing *anything* but being vaguely pissed, and she's still nobody special. Highschool Suzumiya makes better faces. The swing does nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I honestly think that flashback-Suzumiya fails for cute points. At that point she&#8217;s not doing *anything* but being vaguely pissed, and she&#8217;s still nobody special. Highschool Suzumiya makes better faces. The swing does nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: extraclassiclite</title>
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		<dc:creator>extraclassiclite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For cuteness? Fujioka. Suzumiya isn't cute by any standard. She's like a natural disaster-  she might have some terrible splendour or beauty, but she's not cute. *Maybe* during that grass-in-the-face scene in episode 12. Being nice but snarking where it's appropriate is cute. Being a whirlwind of existentialist rage at your own mundanity is impressive. But not cute. Especially when she uses that empowerment to run roughshod over the conventional types who can't even imagine someone like her existing.

That said, if you want to compare them as characters, I find Suzumiya far more outstanding. Fujioka is stoic and sensible in the midst of a frivolous, snobby, and just plain annoying elitny. She's a situational rebel. Suzumiya's a rebel for the sake of rebellion, 'a thing I like is obviously weird' and all that. They have that in common. It makes both of them interesting in their settings. But Suzumiya would be interesting anywhere that even remotely resembles our world. Fujioka is only interesting because she's surrounded by the Host Club, who bring out her perceptivity, her wit, and her past... like Kyon, she'd be a nobody (albeit a much high-achieving nobody) if she wasn't surrounded by such eccentrics.

If I knew Suzumiya personally, I wouldn't like her. Can't let things like that whole computer extortion deal slide just because she has a lot of magnetism. But even if what she does with it is often wrong or meaningless, I'd envy her drive and pride. I've known an extraordinary person who made me question the value of a conventional life in the past, and I don't think a fictional one would be any different.

Gah, that long-winded and I still don't think I said what I wanted to. Well, it's something to read, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For cuteness? Fujioka. Suzumiya isn&#8217;t cute by any standard. She&#8217;s like a natural disaster-  she might have some terrible splendour or beauty, but she&#8217;s not cute. *Maybe* during that grass-in-the-face scene in episode 12. Being nice but snarking where it&#8217;s appropriate is cute. Being a whirlwind of existentialist rage at your own mundanity is impressive. But not cute. Especially when she uses that empowerment to run roughshod over the conventional types who can&#8217;t even imagine someone like her existing.</p>
<p>That said, if you want to compare them as characters, I find Suzumiya far more outstanding. Fujioka is stoic and sensible in the midst of a frivolous, snobby, and just plain annoying elitny. She&#8217;s a situational rebel. Suzumiya&#8217;s a rebel for the sake of rebellion, &#8216;a thing I like is obviously weird&#8217; and all that. They have that in common. It makes both of them interesting in their settings. But Suzumiya would be interesting anywhere that even remotely resembles our world. Fujioka is only interesting because she&#8217;s surrounded by the Host Club, who bring out her perceptivity, her wit, and her past&#8230; like Kyon, she&#8217;d be a nobody (albeit a much high-achieving nobody) if she wasn&#8217;t surrounded by such eccentrics.</p>
<p>If I knew Suzumiya personally, I wouldn&#8217;t like her. Can&#8217;t let things like that whole computer extortion deal slide just because she has a lot of magnetism. But even if what she does with it is often wrong or meaningless, I&#8217;d envy her drive and pride. I&#8217;ve known an extraordinary person who made me question the value of a conventional life in the past, and I don&#8217;t think a fictional one would be any different.</p>
<p>Gah, that long-winded and I still don&#8217;t think I said what I wanted to. Well, it&#8217;s something to read, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: lolikitsune</title>
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		<dc:creator>lolikitsune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 14:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;Suzumiya..
SWING FTW

By that logic Naruto's the hottest kid sister around, how many minutes of screentime were filled with flashbacks of that god damn swing exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Suzumiya..<br />
SWING FTW</p>
<p>By that logic Naruto&#8217;s the hottest kid sister around, how many minutes of screentime were filled with flashbacks of that god damn swing exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: nowhere man</title>
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		<dc:creator>nowhere man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fujioka Haruhi.

She's just irresistibly kawaii. Her maturity is/was far beyond her years and it makes her admirable. She's just a great character overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fujioka Haruhi.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s just irresistibly kawaii. Her maturity is/was far beyond her years and it makes her admirable. She&#8217;s just a great character overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Crayotic Rockwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crayotic Rockwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We seem to be forgetting that as Paradise Kiss Fujioka may look with that fringe, Suzumiya is still God. And God always wins. 

Unless it's texas hold'em (terrible bluffer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to be forgetting that as Paradise Kiss Fujioka may look with that fringe, Suzumiya is still God. And God always wins. </p>
<p>Unless it&#8217;s texas hold&#8217;em (terrible bluffer).</p>
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		<title>By: Kozumura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kozumura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzumiya..
SWING FTW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzumiya..<br />
SWING FTW</p>
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		<title>By: Zzz...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zzz...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's see...we have...

a Haruhi who in spite of suffering genuine family hardship and being denied many of the opprutunities that a child should have had by circumstance, willingly picked up vacated responsibilities and grew up into a wonderful adult with a strong sense of self and moral uprightness...

and...

a self absorbed little brat who was so crushed by merely the fact that she wasn't the bright center of everything that she grew into a bigger self absorbed brat who walk over everything and everyone around her with no regard whatsoever in a selfish campaign to bring meaning into her own self inflicted emptiness.

It's so hard to choose...maturity and growth versus denial and maladjustment.

I do have to admit that by Suzumiya Haruhi grew as a person by the end of the chronological series but her problems at the beginning of the series was entirely her own fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8230;we have&#8230;</p>
<p>a Haruhi who in spite of suffering genuine family hardship and being denied many of the opprutunities that a child should have had by circumstance, willingly picked up vacated responsibilities and grew up into a wonderful adult with a strong sense of self and moral uprightness&#8230;</p>
<p>and&#8230;</p>
<p>a self absorbed little brat who was so crushed by merely the fact that she wasn&#8217;t the bright center of everything that she grew into a bigger self absorbed brat who walk over everything and everyone around her with no regard whatsoever in a selfish campaign to bring meaning into her own self inflicted emptiness.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so hard to choose&#8230;maturity and growth versus denial and maladjustment.</p>
<p>I do have to admit that by Suzumiya Haruhi grew as a person by the end of the chronological series but her problems at the beginning of the series was entirely her own fault.</p>
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